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https://permaculturenews.org/2011/01/26/monsantos-roundup-triggers-over-40-plant-diseases-and-endangers-human-and-animal-health/

2/22/2018 8:32:37 PM

Wisconsin

Now im not saying that round up is perfect or doesn't have effects, but I think this article has a lot of bias, its Published by the Institute for Responsible Technology Who's founder before he become a GMO activist was a ballroom dance instructor and he has no sceintific background. He is a writer and makes money off selling books that scare people about GMO's.

2/23/2018 5:24:04 AM

Wisconsin

Ricks gonna kick my ass now.

2/23/2018 5:24:33 AM

stoughton WI

Yes I am mike. I'm not trying scare anybody. Just give them a little more information on one of the products that can potentially be pretty detrimental to growing giants. I'm no expert, or do I have scientific evidence to back up why we had very high disease pressure in our patch. But after doing alot of research on it, glyphosate was part of the problem.of which I used 5 to 6 quarts of it on our patch every year for 4 or 5 years

2/23/2018 7:08:12 AM

Mn

Most farmers are ballroom dance instructors in the winter months....I'm sure that is the case here

2/23/2018 8:43:14 AM

Bethlehem CT

LOL Q tip!

2/23/2018 9:07:26 AM

The North Coast

Even better, Jeffery Smith was a flying yogic instructor. Not much he says is supported by science. He's right up there with Alex Jones for truthiness.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-facts/jeffrey-m-smith/

2/23/2018 9:57:54 AM

Weatherman

I think I've seen the dancing instructor on "Dancing With The Stars".

2/23/2018 10:23:25 AM

Central Illinois

How were you spraying did you use a pull behind sprayer on short weeds? spraying short weeds probably lets more Roundup contact the soil

2/23/2018 10:34:09 AM

stoughton WI

Just a 3 gallon tank sprayer to spray the patch and at the time I wasn't concerned about it hitting the soil, just not the pumpkins. There are many more articles on the effects of glyphosate.

2/23/2018 11:24:55 AM

stoughton WI

I'm not saying this will happen in every bodies patch, because everyone's soil is different. But the conditions were right in my patch.

2/23/2018 11:34:54 AM

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I spent 30 years advising farmers about soil conservation and health. Soybeans are our #2 crop here. What I have learned about SDS is that it is caused by a fungus. It usually gets started in cold, damp soils. Experts around here have been advising farmers to plant soybeans later in the spring, so the fungus doesn't get started. I have noticed less SDS in the soybeans in this area, and farmers seem to be planting later. The article blamed the soybean death on end rows on Roundup overlap, but that is also the area that gets double the wheel traffic. Compaction could be limiting drainage and that is what is bringing on the disease there. The other thing about SDS is that is is much more prevalent in beans that are drilled in narrow rows than in fields planted with a wide row corn planter. It is the quick canopy covering the soil and keeping it wetter that encourages SDS.

All that being said, Roundup is known to be hard on beneficial bacteria. Compaction, poor drainage. and anaerobic soils also encourage diseases. And monoculture, growing the same crop year after year increases disease pressure.

I have been having disease issues too. I dug drainage ditches for better drainage and it helped. I added soil to raise the growing beds and it helped, except where the skid loader compacted the soil too much. I have been planting some areas to tomatoes and sweet corn for a crop rotation. Areas where plants are lost early get summer rape/radish cover crops. I am putting the worst disease plots into mustard and tillage radish this year. My soil has adequate sand content and the subsoil is pure sand, so
I don't need to add that.

Maybe we need to look at a whole systems approach to disease control. Crop rotation, eliminate compaction, better surface and internal drainage and appropriate fungicides and beneficial microbes.

2/23/2018 11:38:24 AM

Wisconsin

Rick you should try 2,4,D I heard it has Auxins in it as well

2/23/2018 12:47:36 PM

Muddy Waters

I have never use the round up in my pumpkin patch. Thanks for the heads up I never will now, for sure for sure.

2/23/2018 3:41:25 PM

Upa Creek, MO

So how do you all kill your cover crop before you till in then if don't use Roundup? I saw a recent post stating you need to kill it and let dry before tilling in or else it will just be a green manure.

2/23/2018 4:02:07 PM

stoughton WI

Most people plant a cover crop that only comes up once,mowing it first helps, you should till in before it goes to seed. This way there is no need to spray
Glypgosate. I've only planted a cover crop once and it was mustard.

2/23/2018 5:11:25 PM

Guelph, Ontario

Before trusting any information form Don Huber read this. If it did what he said, it would e pulled from market. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-facts/don-huber-science-still-looking-for-purdue-professors-gmo-pathogen-time-bomb/

2/23/2018 7:05:23 PM

stoughton WI

im not trying to get people not to use glyphosate, just geting info to growers so they can do some research and make an educated decision on there own. i do believe under some circumstances glyphosate can do harm to your patch.

2/23/2018 8:17:33 PM

Upa Creek, MO

I won’t use it at all anymore during season, I had a tiny bit of residual spray take out 2 plants in 2012. If there’s a possible mistake, I’ve made it.

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=178613

2/23/2018 8:54:16 PM

Weatherman

Ron W uses it and doesn't have any problems.

2/23/2018 9:26:02 PM

Bethlehem CT

I hope the claims Dr. Huber makes are not true. BUT I can't help but wonder why he would make them if they aren't. He is an old man, a retired scientist... Why speak up now?
Is it not true that Monsanto, Syngenta and other big companies fund our land grant universities and agencies that do all the "credible" testing on glyphosate and gmo's? If it is true, that is very concerning to me... It goes against our human nature to "Bite a hand that is feeding it."

2/24/2018 8:24:00 AM

Bethlehem CT

Moby Mike Have you ever used 2-4d around your pumpkins or has anyone else here? I would be interested in knowing if it can be done. My gut tells me just the fumes coming off the 2-4d would cause damage.

2/24/2018 8:26:52 AM

Gays Mills, Wisconsin

For what its worth, my suggestions regarding glyphosphate.....use weak solution sparingly, only for small new weeds under the leaf canopy...works very well!
Afterwards (2 days later) drench with an aerobic PGPR tea.
Do not use ahead of plant to kill cover crop.....till instead.
Because there is potential for carryover, follow 'use sparingly'

2/24/2018 8:33:00 AM

Wisconsin

Big moon, 2,4,d is terrible for pumpkins ask Glen Martin he got spray drift one year, its a very bad deal.

2/24/2018 9:58:37 AM

Wisconsin

Guys I was just joking with Rick on 24d we like to kid eachother, please DO NOT use 24d anywhere near your pumpkin patch at anytime, most your dandelion sprays contain 24d as well as your weed and feed lawn ferts I do not have anything on my property that has 24d. 24d xan also fume off on a hotday and cause problems,the woman doesnt like the dandelions but tough cookies lol

2/24/2018 10:06:12 AM

Torrance, Ca.

Good read rick! I just spend 1 hour with one of the Paton brothers,,, absolutely no round up in the Patch and zero chemicals for bugs...

I need to go back to the drawing board.

2/24/2018 10:32:05 AM

stoughton WI

I do believe in sandier soils, Glypgosate may not be as bad in smaller amounts, because your soil is less likely to become anarobic and become a prime breading ground for disease. And being as we have to grow in the same spot every year, glyphosate can build up in the soil. We will be adding some perlite to our soil this year in order to help with aeration and drainage.I'm pretty sure we can overcome our issues with biologicals. It's still a work in progress. A soil test this spring will tell me if we are headed in the right direction. Also I am doing research into a different weed killer that will not be so bad for our soil.

2/24/2018 11:54:40 AM

Weatherman

They have Round Up Ready corn, soy beans, cotton and working on wheat.

2/24/2018 4:31:11 PM

Seattle, WA

For those interest in diving deeper here’s a link to more research:
https://logicalgardener.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=634&hilit=Glyphosate

2/24/2018 4:32:48 PM

Bethlehem CT

Thanks Mike that's what I thought.

2/25/2018 1:35:13 PM