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Muddy Waters

Im setting up the final details with Pay Pal Page coming soon

You will get %80 of the sale WWGG gets %20

Buy directly from grower to you Giant seeds sales.You will get paid same day no waiting on your money to come.

https://www.worldwidegiantgrowers.com/buy-seeds-.html

Send me a note if your interested?? Mark@Worldwidegiantgrowers.com

All types of seeds wanted

4/20/2017 8:48:41 PM

jakeb30

Randlett, Oklahoma

I am so glad you did this. Ill be keeping an eye out to make purchases, and hopefully have some of my own to submit next year!

4/20/2017 9:35:22 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

What a hobby? Isn't it beautiful :)

4/20/2017 10:34:09 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

Someone needs to sit down and seriously take a look at the future of this hobby? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

4/20/2017 10:47:49 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Carl, I can send you some seeds for free...

4/20/2017 10:48:43 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

I'll send you a bubble, you send me a bubble...the good ole days.

4/20/2017 10:49:38 PM

Rudolph

I'm with Bubba on this, if a little money can be put back in the growers pocket to fund the next season great, you could say what about the prize money at the weigh offs? Not all weigh offs pay good enough to return your investment, and most of the time first place is the only way, I spend a lot of money on fertilzers and other products this hobby will not last without money because I couldn't afford to grow every year.

4/20/2017 11:11:23 PM

Central NY

Lol... Hell yea!... Sign me up!!!!!

4/20/2017 11:12:14 PM

Central NY

lmao

4/20/2017 11:12:23 PM

Rudolph

If I had the money I would grow every year and send seeds for free, in 2015 that's what I did people may not know it but the prize money I won that year was all spent on postage I tried to send everyone a seed for free and any money that was sent to me went back in that fund, as long as that fund still has money in it I'll continue to send seeds for free but if I needed money to fund a season I wouldn't think twice of selling a seed.

4/20/2017 11:18:49 PM

Central NY

Heck no...siiign me uP...I'll do good things with the money...I prahhmiss...

4/20/2017 11:25:21 PM

Central NY

I just threw away a buttload too...stuupid

4/20/2017 11:25:53 PM

Rudolph

Maybe Bubba way isn't the best way, possibly have all the weigh off sites or some of them on a list click on a site to view seeds donated to that site if you buy a seed that money goes to the weigh off prize money or something idk I'm just spit balling, at least this way more money goes into the growers pocket so they can afford compost, mycros, ect.

4/20/2017 11:48:23 PM

Rudolph

But for this to work everyone would have to stop sending free seeds, so it's flawed, I guess in the end it's a Hobbie even if it feels like work some days and like any Hobbie you lose money

4/20/2017 11:53:29 PM

Michigan,up North

if u can get it go for it ,plowing driveway this winter ,most of the well off people would bitch n moan about 20 bucks to plow ,did this house for a rated down farm house ,told him id do it for 20.00 he ended up giving me 40 said i did it the way he would of done it had a few beers with him and he,s wife ,wierd guy wore a dress under he,s old carharts lol ,ending up trading a bow this summer for a tiller ,with no belt .cluthc drive ,no way i can or well buy a seed for 400 ,iam a dollar short on child support iam in jail fro m the man hating nizi judge ,sell seeds like xmiss seeds if u roll up in a 50,000 truck its a 200 tree ,iam drunk again what was the queston lol moneys evel ,hope we go to war with russain,money wont mean squt

4/21/2017 12:29:23 AM

Muddy Waters

Do Fisherman give away free tied flys? Do hunters give away free duck calls!! This old school of thought of free seeds for all is ridiculous.When I tell people in the real world. There is a group of people that think seeds should be free to everyone. They look at me like a dog I just showed a card trick to.Why should I spend a grand on Compost,500$ on soil amendments $800 on a screen & shade cloth.thousands on ferts & water & irrigation equipment.Then I just give it all away.lol Ridiculous thought.People respect my orange beauty's.I sell almost 10 grand in seeds every season.There are 8 billion people in the world.They are in awe of the BIG ORANGE KIN. Come join me as I grow the WWGG into one of the biggest sites on the planet.I love Ken & will continue to support him & the GPC as long as the lord is willing & the creek dont rise!!! I would like to share my page with growers of modern thinking.My Bubbatary & Computer geek will put this together this weekend.No time to waste. We are burning daylight. lol

4/21/2017 6:03:55 AM

Muddy Waters

I have been turbo charged once again. I am BUBBA hear me ROAR!!! LOL

4/21/2017 6:06:11 AM

nOVA sCOTIA

How about we just sell our own seed on EBAY ?

4/21/2017 6:07:12 AM

nOVA sCOTIA

The hobby is very expensive. Out of control as a matter of fact. A certain few keep capitalizing and the rest just keep paying.I say we all sell them on Amazon

4/21/2017 6:12:16 AM

Muddy Waters

Carl I did set down about 5 years ago & did some serious thinking.This how I decided to go forward with my promoting this awesome SPORT to the entire World. Money is a great thing.It powers all that we do.Thanks for the feedback I hope to see you in Portland.

4/21/2017 6:29:38 AM

Muddy Waters

You set up your sale Carl, I will do mine.Thats how it works.Bubbas Ma Ma told me as a child,"What you think of me is none of my Business" If you dont like what Im doing just move on. put your energy into growing.Not destroying. I am dedicated & will not be eradicated.The handful of naysayers will only fuel the rocket I am. Have a great day sir!

4/21/2017 6:34:38 AM

Muddy Waters

Here is brilliant idea! Instead of bashing each other. Lets build each other up.Lets have a special section WWGG on the page you donate the seeds we sell them to support the GPC organization or your favorite club.Your seeds your call? There are some many good things we can do with this.Its endless

4/21/2017 6:44:53 AM

Little Ketchup

Grittyville, WA

I think it's a smart move Bubba. If it's a good service people will use it and pay for it... folks don't want to get fleeced so some folks are wary.

It would be a nice service to pumpkin growers to have a huge selection of seeds (older seeds and less sought after seeds) at a reasonable price. Many people have lots of seeds and friends willing to share seeds and that's great but not everyone does. I don't see anything wrong with offering a service so I don't entirely get the negativity. It might even benefit pumpkin growing as a whole to catalogue and help make available some seeds that would otherwise go bad sitting in a drawer somewhere. Seeds become unavailable when growers quit. Maybe we are creating a genetic bottleneck with everyone using almost exclusively only two lines (Wallace/Pukos and Wallace/ Rose) in nearly every pumpkin.

Bubba C. is not forcing anyone to use the service... C'mon folks-- you think Bubba is destroying the hobby... He is making it more expensive. Well he has the best video on how to pollinate a pumpkin and it's free to watch.

Does this have to be an expensive hobby? Well yeah admittedly it's harder to be successful when not spending as much money, like if you have to use free manure you compost it yourself rather than fertilizer in a jug, and if you want seeds from someone you have to ask them rather than have them show up in your mailbox. But yeah @ Donkin do you think someone should start a seed exchange like the exotic seed exchange but just for AG's where everyone sends in their seed and gets everyone else's seed back...? Email me @ wsu_brandon(at)hotmail.com

4/21/2017 8:28:33 AM

Michigan,up North

lol we get to grow once every year ,most dont have acre,s of land to grow 20 kins ,i gota enough seeds to last a life time ,might not be the newest or greates ,,oh well have fun

4/21/2017 9:49:47 AM

Western PA

I don't agree with the sales of seeds at all. Probably the only reason I got into this hobby is because some very kind growers 10 years ago or so. I believe (Glen Basset) sent me seeds totally free of charge! I am sure many others got started this way as well. If I remember correctly I received a bubble in the mail with a large hand drawn and colored pumpkin on it. When I received this bubble I was in disbelief of how kind a stranger could be!! When I was actively growing for size a few years back I would offer seeds to growers completely free of charge, just send me your adress and you get the seeds. This is what the hobby of giant pumpkin growing should be all about. We need to be nothing like the rest of the world, why does everything need to be about money? Money ruins all great things sooner or later. Why does a grower need to spend 2 g's to grow pumpkins? Why do the clubs really need to $10,000 in payouts for a weighoff. I tell you what I have nothing against this, to each their own but I will tell you I went to the barnesville pumpkin festival for many years and they are far from being the most prestigious weighoff but they have the true spirit of pumpkin growing thier.

4/21/2017 9:53:01 AM

Western PA

In order to grow the hobby you can't out price the hobby. Most people that are into gardening are the common working man or woman who wont even bother getting into a hobby if they see a seed cost $25 Let's give away all these seeds and get as many people growing as possible. This post is not meant to discredit Bubba for his efforts, this man truly loves pumpkin growing! I have seen his diary over the years, he has done very good by starting his wwg group. Bubba maybee on your seed sale page you can have a free seed page where people can donate seeds from smaller pumpkins with good genetics. This will keep the door open and the welcome mat down for all of the new people getting into the sport! Keep up the good work!

4/21/2017 10:02:33 AM

West of the Blue Ridge

Waynesboro, Virginia

.I sell almost 10 grand in seeds every season. Bubba,
Do you cut Ken his 20% ? Because you never world have done that without BP.com. Just curious......

4/21/2017 10:04:52 AM

Oak Grove, Mn

After everyone starts selling there own seeds to pocket the profits, pumpkin growing is going to change. The weighoffs will start to disappear as clubs fold for lack of funds. Why give seeds to club auctions when you can get all the profit. I really do not think this is good for the hobby.

4/21/2017 10:13:11 AM

KC Kevin

Mission Viejo, CA

I agree bnot. One of the best things about the bubble system is the fellowship and community it creates. There are many growers that I communicate with throughout the season just because we've traded seeds. A little note in with the bubble, thanking the grower and telling him/ her your plan, getting the bubble back in the mail and being so stoked to see what's inside? That is all so very cool!

There's a real beauty to giving seeds to anyone who asks.

4/21/2017 12:00:30 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

“this whole post is due in part to actions I have taken towards Mark, If you do not know the scenario please email me and I will bring you up to speed.
This is the only post I will make pertaining to this as I will not clutter BP with this.
Eddy z
email
eddyz@efirehose.net

4/21/2017 12:06:16 PM

The Pumpkinguru

Cornelius, Oregon

Just sad. I hesitate to open my mouth any more on this website with an opinion, but dang. Ya I have had my little seed sale website forever, but I still have the document from Howard that gives me the okay to sell seeds, but even then, with my fellow growers, its always been trade first and not worry about trying to make a buck from my friends. Even when some of my seeds were the 'Hot Seeds' I gave away all I could. Bubble for bubble. Crazy seed trade for crazy seed trade. Now instead of 'send me a bubble with some postage on it' in response to a seed request, its 'you got a paypal account?' Call me old school, I don't care, I am proud of it, and I am proud of the club I helped build using old school ideals of inclusion rather than exclusion. whether that be financial, growing ability, or whatever.

4/21/2017 12:56:10 PM

So.Cal.Grower

Torrance, Ca.

Sounds like things are getting messy out there......

That said, I'm with bnot, picker and KC Kevin on this one.

4/21/2017 1:39:34 PM

Muddy Waters

It really doesn't matter what a few opinions are. The reality is people love to buy seeds to grow. These are people who may never find this website. Most buyers at Dons site then has been there for years are not competition growers. They are back yard growers who will never find out about the bubble deal in less the get serious. Think outside of the box. Eddy is showing his darkside.There is no truth to his allegations

4/21/2017 1:47:09 PM

Andy S

Western ny

Bubba,leave town

4/21/2017 2:21:30 PM

Rick j.

stoughton WI

It is everyones right to do what they want with there seeds, but clubs will be hardest hit by selling seeds. Also some weigh offs depend on seed sales for prize structure. If we start losing clubs and weigh offs we will all be the ones who suffer. I say, free seeds for everyone. P.s. We will never sell our seeds, unless money is going to a charitable foundation. Good luck growing this year everybody.

4/21/2017 3:10:16 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

OK...Eddy said this whole post is about actions he has taken against Mark and Mark tells us that there is no truth to Eddy;s allegations.....

4/21/2017 4:05:33 PM

fisherray

Western NY

Hey Bubba, I get free flies and lures every time i take a fishing trip! It is the same as when you get a group of growers together and start talking one on one about something you have in common and you start trading seeds and info. I'm sure you give out info and seeds but but in the end it is all about YOU getting attention and maybe making $$$$$.

4/21/2017 4:07:26 PM

jlindley

NE Arkansas

On a serious note I would prolly not be growing anything giant had I not found someone selling seeds by searching the internet... I bought some and started talking to them and they told me about this site... I still buy stuff just like I buy baits to fish with... I sell melon seeds on eBay and every dime that goes into my PayPal account goes right back into growing... I still give to any club that wants my seeds to... I mean should the movie theater show the movie for free and only get money for refreshments? Place charge admission for me to go watch my son play baseball... should I refuse to pay because it's his hobby? If everything should be free I'm in need of a greenhouse... message me and I'll send my address if someone has a free one...

4/21/2017 5:30:30 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

It is not the seeds going out for free that is the problem. Those seeds are not going to sell for much on website. The problem is the the top 10-15 seeds grown per year. Hypothetically...10 pumpkins grown over 2000 lbs. Instead of these seeds being donated to clubs for auction they go to a private website. The website and these growers make lots of money from seed sales the first year. Clubs make next to nothing in their auctions. Next weigh-off season many less weigh-offs..and since the clubs didn't make anything from auction sales prize fund is about zero. Next winter...the price of seeds drop...who is going to pay $500 for a seed for the chance to win ribbon. Mark, just think...if everyone sells theirs seeds on your website, how much money you are going make...is it worth to destroy the hobby?

4/21/2017 5:42:14 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

Just like pumpkin picker said.In order to grow a hobby you can't out price the hobby and that is exactly what is happening.....

4/21/2017 5:52:22 PM

wixom grower ( The Polish Hammer)

Muddy Waters

Bnot The top seeds dont sell hardly at all. These are non competitive growers buying the $25 to 40$ range. You guys totally dont understand the seed market. It is people that are not in the growing community that buy them.Nothing is lost for the clubs. I never had a purchase from auction BP attendees.These post really stink so much is taken out of context & is misunderstood.

4/21/2017 5:54:11 PM

Wixom MI.

Technically speaking how are auctions and clubs supose to make money if all you generous people are giving all your seeds away for free!!! If that was the case no one would ever buy a seed at an auction if they can get them for free all the time.i like the idea of a place to buy seeds mainly for the newbies who have no conections with anyone and has no other way to get seeds.

4/21/2017 5:57:04 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

I do not have a problem with some sites selling seeds. My first year, I bought some Big Max seeds for my daughter to grow a big pumpkin. With a little time on the internet...i found out that wasn't a big pumpkin. So I started to look for an Atlantic Giant seed in the second week of May. I found a seed from Holland's. By the middle of the summer I had found this website. I support the availability of "cheaper" seeds available from a website. The issue is if the top seeds end up being up for sale, which negatively affects the number source of income for the clubs which is vital to this hobby.

4/21/2017 6:12:28 PM

Muddy Waters

Everyone who buys top seeds likes to support there clubs. Your average buyer will not spend that money. I sold like 1 1947 all winter long $100 seed. I sold 50 packs of the 1474 at 40$ a pack. They were names I never heard of before. Seed selling does not hurt clubs

4/21/2017 6:37:44 PM

Michigan,up North

on marks behafe goin he,s club last year was a good deal 35.00 i can hadle that won a 1317 ,came a little late then i liked ,butt it had a few extras tomatoe seed nice touch ,was fun to grow it ,whould of joined this year butt my exwife want to make me homeless n spend my money buyin her boyfriend whisky lol .if i knew i get a 2145 i would of allso lol

4/21/2017 6:51:45 PM

VTJohn

Jericho Vermont

Similar conversations have come up with different players for the 20 plus years that I have been in the hobby. There are many growers who have been selling their seeds for years through one of the few original sites that offer them. None of this bothers me even though that is not a choice for me and I am fortunately in a position to fully fund my growing endeavors. The issue that our hobby has been battling for years is that we do not grow a "cash" crop and the funding is always tight. In my opinion we need the right leadership to drive the whole hobby to come up with more creative ways to fund our weigh offs and other activities. This problem also effects the GPC as it is a group of volunteers who are doing their best to do a job without even one paid position. In my opinion we need to have a GPC board who's primary focus is on educating clubs to become stronger and big picture fundraising endeavors. I think our focus and energies are better aimed at solving the global funding issues whether through larger shared sponsorship's or other ideas that need to be brought to light. The issue should not be as to who has the right to sell their own seeds or products but to how we as a collective group can come up with the bigger difficult funding solutions. Currently I feel we are just fighting each other in the race to eliminating our hobby as it stands. Let's hope that the cream will float to the top and keep our hobby as stong as it has been in the past.

4/21/2017 8:07:30 PM

Central NY

I agree...I want 85%

4/22/2017 12:32:29 AM

jlindley

NE Arkansas

I have an idea... 75% grower, 20 wwgg, 5% GPC (to be divided up to each weigh off site ) just a thought Mark

4/22/2017 1:41:12 AM

Orange is King!!!

Woodward, Oklahoma

I think this is a good thing watching a seed go for $400 to $600 in a club auction is crazy and this will help keep the market down a bit. Yes it might take a little money from the clubs but not much. Growers give to the clubs first. All the people complaining about wanting to sell seeds hey this is an expensive hobby so to get some $ back for our seeds helps buy stuff for next year. This is awesome Mark thanks for allowing this and building it for us.

4/22/2017 1:58:59 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

First and for most this is an individual hobby. Something you do in your backyard for your enjoyment and maybe share with your family or its actually a family activity.

Somewhere down the line in the last 10 years as clubs emerged all over the country "supporting" clubs has become a must for a grower. If you grow a seed that people want, somehow your obligated to share it with all clubs, so they can auction it off to fund their weigh off money. People you never heard of before and after will call you to try and collect seeds. Some will ask for multiples so more money can be made. Because that's whats "supporting" a club means, adding to those $1000 or $5000 bucks for one grower to take home and buy his supplies from. I don't understand how this is "good for the hobby" or "growing the hobby". Yet another empty term. "Growing the hobby". I think most off us are out for some good old fashioned fun in the back yard and not trying to get people to grow pumpkins half way across the country. If it happens great, but if not then I couldn't care less. This hobby has a life of its own and will always survive. It doesn't need people to keep it alive.

So there's Individual people trying to make a buck of it. So what? Wasn't that inevitable? And has it not gone on for years? whether its Hollands, WoW, or Langevin, you are free to purchase where ever you want.

No need to rain on someone's parade though.

But in a community like the pumpkin growing one, with its share of friendships, rivalry's and little intrigues there is always someone ready to do it.

A little prize money at early weigh offs turned into a never ending quest for more, bigger and better. Highest pay out, biggest weigh off, highest top ten average etc. Money has already perverted this hobby in its essence and it can't be reversed and it can't be undone.

Now we gotta live with it.

4/22/2017 2:43:33 PM

Orange Lives Matter

Chesapeake City, MD

I'm a new grower this year and spent just over $700 divided amongst several auctions earlier this winter. I didn't know I could get free seeds -- but no problem. I don't expect to get handed anything.
Whether selling seeds outside of clubs is a good idea or bad, if it's legal then you have every right to do it. Let the market decide if it's a good alternative. No one is forced to consign their seeds and no one is forced to buy them. Follow your own convictions but don't try to impose them on others. This is 'Murica.

4/22/2017 4:30:43 PM

Big T Hoff

Hadley Ny

I wasn't going to get into this but after reading Frank and Tina's post I will. I've grown for MOM , Nephews the Kids from the VFW, American Legion and the town I come from..4 corner intersection with two stop signs..I spent a lot of money on seeds the first year and found this year you can get a lot of free seeds from some of the best growers that are better than what you paid for. The best growers don't even advertise but if you post you're looking they will get back to you and give you seeds for a bubble. I also believe that people that grow giants should be entitled to a little money for there seeds. I also believe the donations of seeds to clubs is a must. Clubs are important..not everything is done for free. I would like to thank everybody that puts time and effort into the clubs. Most of there seeds are donated and money goes back to the club. This whole thing sounds like a bunch of old women sitting around a table acting like nightcrawlers.

4/22/2017 5:04:15 PM

KingPumpkinRanch

Galt, CA

can an experienced grower explain to me(a newbie) what is going on here.

4/23/2017 12:43:41 AM

cheddah

norway , maine

Money and philosophical differences

4/23/2017 11:17:57 AM

spudder

Kingpumpkinranch
I think it goes back to the test results that were done on growing products.

4/23/2017 12:29:49 PM

wixom grower ( The Polish Hammer)

Oak Grove, Mn

That is a separate issue Spudder, that is not part of this thread. The difference is in the philosophical differences of growers selling seeds. There would be absolutely no problems with private seed sales if the various clubs did not rely on the seed auctions to fund nearly all of their expenses and prize funds. The higher prize funds have led to higher prices for seeds. For many growers this has become a negative. I am sure that many think they are being priced out of this hobby. The profits from private seed sales of top pumpkins could be worth very much money. If someone grows a world record pumpkin...has 100 seeds that sell for $300 each..that is $30,000. In the past, seeds from nearly every large pumpkin has been donated to the clubs. They sell them at auction. I am afraid if those large pumpkin seeds stay in private sales..what it does to the clubs. It would be nice if there were global sponsonships, to take the financial burden off from seed sales but as of now there isn't.

4/23/2017 12:52:16 PM

Don Crews

Lloydminster/AB

KingPumpkinRanch, it's considered wrong to sell hobby seeds, it seems everybody wants to get into the seed selling business. I believe it to be harmful to a simple hobby.
I have visited the user settings page and fixed this thread up for my viewing pleasure.

4/23/2017 1:18:02 PM

Wixom MI.

I think that most people are over reacting here about growers selling their seeds. Top growers and now even ron wallace is selling his seeds on Don langvins site and that doesn't hurt any club out their. I don't know any top grower that wont donate their seeds to clubs for their auction even when they are sell their seeds privately. Mark is now setting up a don langvin type seed sale because eddy acused mark of selling fake seeds off don langvin site witch i find to be a wild and reckless claim. Because of this one claim don langvin felt that he had to remove mark from selling his seeds on his site. So now mark wont to offer the same option for growers to sell seeds on his site.

4/23/2017 4:08:10 PM

jakeb30

Randlett, Oklahoma

I don't care about "selling" my seeds for profit, I just want to get them out there. As a new grower in a state without a pumpkin club. I just want to participate in order to get the honor that someone else might grow my seeds. Also as mentioned earlier, this is the kind of site I bought seeds from before I knew about the growing community and auctions and bubble seeds. I don't think it hurts the club because of this. I think the majority of seeds sold will be to first timers that learned from watching marks videos, just like I did. No matter what you think of Mark, I wouldn't be a grower, and would not have spent about $1000 on seeds at auction this winter without his videos on youtube.

4/23/2017 4:17:03 PM

DHertz

Waterville, Ohio

If it were possible, I would love to see a site that sold pollen from top seed stock. Imagine being able to cross with anything from the top 10 list... good stuff.

4/23/2017 5:58:52 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Chris as an FYI before I ever contacted Don, I had received 36 emails pertaining to this, and since then you can add another 32 and they are still coming, so no it wasn't one claim
Pretty much the way it happened when the 10 pound tomato was listed

4/23/2017 6:04:18 PM

farmergal

New England

No Drama Llama here...I've been absent for over a year and just coming back into it now. I find it sad that this is what it's boiling down to. 2 people pointing fingers at each other, etc, etc. While I don't think a single website selling seeds will hurt a club; it appears that some are trying to capitalize off the hobby, add some extra income into their pockets. Nothing wrong with that, its an expensive hobby. But, and that's a big BUT, the more websites and seed sellers there are; the more the market is tainted and adjust and the less appeal club auctions have. When the club auctions have less appeal; their seed stock sells for diluted prices and they don't make good returns. We need to remember that most of us have local weigh offs BECAUSE of these clubs who put a lot of time, effort and $$ into the weigh offs that growers enjoy every year. Without these clubs; many wouldn't have a weigh off to attend so I think it's important to remember that the seed auctions hosted every winter are very important

4/24/2017 7:56:43 AM

Muddy Waters

https://www.worldwidegiantgrowers.com/chris-kents-seeds.html

New page up for seed selling. This is in its infancy but will grow tremendously in the future . I will donate 5% to the GPC annually starting today of all seed sales on my site.It will start slow as the growing season is underway.But next season it will ROCK!!

4/24/2017 8:16:05 AM

Muddy Waters

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Buy & sell your seeds here.Direct from grower to you Giant seeds.You will get payment for your seeds at time of sale.100% of the sale goes to your PayPal account.You will then send a 20% commission back to me I will donate 5% to the Great Pumpkin Commonwealth & 5% to the Howard Dill Family. (the man who created this seed line back in the day). Leaving me a 10% commission. WORLDWIDEGIANTGROWERS authentic seeds direct from growers of your choice. Simply e-mail me your photo of your fruit & the details weight year grown etc..I will up load your photo and post below.I will need your Pay pal address to have payment go direct to your account at time of sale.I I will start a Canada & European program soon. Mark@Worldwidegiantgrowers.com

4/24/2017 12:02:24 PM

Muddy Waters

36 emails EDDY ? Counterfeiting my own seeds hilarious Doenst even make logical sense I have hundreds of seeds. Why Counterfeit?

4/25/2017 6:47:43 AM

Muddy Waters

I wasnt going to feed the fire BUTT silence makes a person look guilty. I am 100% upright. NOT A POWER HUNGARY millionare

4/25/2017 6:49:09 AM

Muddy Waters

Ya want ta DANCE ?? Bubba can DANCE!! 2 left feet but they keep on going!!! LOL

4/25/2017 6:50:21 AM

Muddy Waters

I have a big family, Your not just making 1 enemy your making several. If you continue this smear campaign.I will keep showing more of the people who have known me for 50 plus years what you are doing.They love me & know my intentions. Some of them havwe deeper pockets then you.Let the dance begin.Glass houses will fall

4/25/2017 7:05:17 AM

Muddy Waters

BTW I have already been physically threaten by these accusers.If anything happens to me. I want this publicly known

4/25/2017 7:14:58 AM

baitman

Central Illinois

You've been on a milk carton before haven't you

4/25/2017 7:27:23 AM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

No comment on BP

4/25/2017 9:21:13 AM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Far too much respect for Ken

4/25/2017 9:21:44 AM

Muddy Waters

Mark,

Several growers ordered from you, then compared seeds. They found significant differences in size and color.

This was probably a setup, but I cannot ignore their accusations.

As you know, I am 50% deaf and have a lot of problems hearing and understanding via phone.

Let me know if you can deal with this by email.

Best wishes

Don Langevin
annedawn@aol.com
GiantPumpkin.com
WorldClassGardening.com

He admits its a set up & then ask me to leave REALLY??

4/25/2017 9:31:35 AM

Muddy Waters

EDDY you started this entire thing . With your email me behind the scenes post!Dont play the Ken respect thing on me

4/25/2017 9:33:56 AM

nOVA sCOTIA

Yes we all need to have respect for Ken but think about every single grower on this site that spend a small fortune on growing supplies every single year! Don/t you all think that they deserve respect also???? I think we all deserve the truth and this is the place to show it as every single grower of giant vegetables work too hard and spend too much to settle for anything less.

4/25/2017 11:27:35 AM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

I will send my info to each and every person that wants it.
All they have to do is email me
eddyz@efirehose.net

4/25/2017 11:42:19 AM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

And Bubba PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep posting, love it cause I get so many emails each time you do
Thanks

4/25/2017 12:33:43 PM

Andy S

Western ny

Eddy,---hang in there,mark will soon GO away and quit

4/25/2017 1:35:32 PM

Team Wexler

Lexington, Ky

For what it's worth, he's just as obnoxious at weigh offs as he is on the internet. Mouthing off to me in front of my son...he received a pass on that one. And he never shut up the entire freaking day....

4/25/2017 2:30:43 PM

Tary

Bonney Lake, WA

Andy S.... I have been wondering what Eddy Zzzz's (yawning) end game was. So you think Bubba will quit growing kins and go away? Why? Why would any fellow grower want that. SMH. That makes no sense! Shame on all of you. Shame on Eddy Z!
HEY Eddy Z (Hi waving from the Emerald City) ...... can you please tell all of us, in this thread and else where, what your end game is and what you hope to accomplish?
And while you are at it, can you please post a pic of your record kin, tomato or long gourd. Because YOU know what is the best for all growers when it comes to fertz and seeds and YOU know where they should spend their money! (Howard Dill is not happy right now)
Oh and does your friend Donkin have a fert line? Would love to try them. I have some maters going in soon.
So please post your pics.
I looked in the archive. Sad face I can't find your pic!
I will take a squash, cucumber or radish if you don't have a 1900 plus kin. Or a 200 plus Watermelon. Or ummmm a long gourd over a 130 inches.

4/25/2017 2:39:04 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Thanks Tary very good question.
What is my end game? My end game is simple, Honesty and integrity and good sportsmanship. Which this hobby deserves, No more and no less.
I can recommend to you what I think is good products, send me an email and I will be happy to help.

4/25/2017 3:28:28 PM

Michigan,up North

well if someone out of vauable seeds n saleing fakes thats greed,n god well punish

4/25/2017 11:50:15 PM

ClearlyMoronic (TeamTrenchant)

Michigan,up North

just prayed , if some one saleing fake seeds ,my there pumpkins go small this year.

4/26/2017 12:05:02 AM

Deal With It

You think Mark will quit growing?

Hilarious.

40 years from now, Bubba will still be feeding his plants after he's been interred in his patch, per his living will.

From what I've seen in the past week, some of you GPC fascists would prefer for that to happen ASAP.

No apologies will be made for that statement.

4/26/2017 8:50:08 AM

Western PA

If there is enough evidence to make public accusations questioning this mans integrity regarding the sale of seeds and fertilizer products why not just present the evidence. this is clearly a big enough issue where people are taking sides and dividing the pumpkin growing community. I don't think calling names and bashing one another is the answer. lets see the evidence

4/26/2017 1:06:15 PM

Western PA

If there are dozens of individuals with so called fake seeds, get all of these seeds into the hands of an unbiased expert and have them determine if they could of came from the same specimen...

4/26/2017 1:09:21 PM