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Muddy Waters

I think there maybe a misconception by some as to why we bury vines.The vine will NOT root in like a tomato plant.The leaf node at the base of every leaf stalk will root in a second root if covered in dirt.The bottom of that same node stalk will root either way in good soil.There is no benefit in covering a vine with dirt ,other then that.In fact in a wet year burying the complete vine will most likely= disease.Growers BEWARE!!

7/1/2015 9:32:46 PM

Home of happy lil plants

every years a wet year down here fyi guys

7/1/2015 11:44:13 PM

Torrance, Ca.

I thought Alabama was dry like Vegas?

7/2/2015 12:03:16 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

B ubba DS, WT....f?

1. Some bury vineZ to help keep the wind from rolling them over... I can go on....lol.. GAFC....Oh Im sorry Ill get back on me couch....^

7/2/2015 12:16:02 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

I got 9 plantZ, and a real job, and I cant keep up burying....RootZ... BIG RootZ... Strong FruitZ.. my new tea shirt slogan.....go figure

7/2/2015 12:25:58 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

and the reverse side....Strong RootZ....BIG FruitZ...

7/2/2015 12:28:21 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

One can alwayZ wash the dirt away....dependZ on where and HOW one Grow'Z.... ONE siZe does ...NOT fit all....Growing Naked....

7/2/2015 12:31:49 AM

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Ummmm, I bury my vines once they are self rooting to encourage additional roots...also, secures them and holds them in place so the wind does not uproot and roll them over. So...more roots and stability for the plant is why we bury and cover our vines.

7/2/2015 1:11:35 AM

San Diego

Don't roots only form at the leaf nodes?

7/2/2015 2:56:04 AM

Central Illinois

it a cloaking device for SVB

7/2/2015 7:48:23 AM

Muddy Waters

Yes see This is why people dont like to post on BP. Every taken to the extreme.Let me make one thing perfectly clear.Im not an idiot!!lol

If you partial bury only at the node then it will wash off.Im talking not doing this complete burial where it looks like your growing Rhubarb.This is not a good thing in wet conditions.You vines will rot.You will be healthier with vines still visible.There is a lot of confusion on how to grow.Just trying to help the new guy clear the fog.I dont mind be laughed at.It lets me know Im right.

7/2/2015 7:51:32 AM

Muddy Waters

My vines arnt rolling on my outside plants.They root in fast if your soil is loose with just a handfull of dirt thrown on.DUHHH!

Why do I try to help you guys?This is a competition?I like to see the sport grow.If more folks dont succeed they will walk away.Please get more detailed information & the facts before growing!!

7/2/2015 7:55:46 AM

Muddy Waters

Friends dont let friends grow confused! They will be a lot of disease in 3-4 weeks show up.Is been a wet year

7/2/2015 7:57:28 AM

Winston Salem, NC

roots...I love em...disease I dont...lesson learned from wet hot summers down south...I dont bury vines anymore. If I see a root sticking up top that is gonna dry up, I'll throw a handful of dirt on it just to get it to the dirt below...then rinse off as soon as possible...nobody wants to start cutting sections of vine out.

7/2/2015 10:12:05 AM

Stanwood, Washington

I only bury the nodes you need a fair amount of dirt though to make sure it roots from the top. If you are watering overhead The dirt can get washed off the nodes if you don't have enough of it.

7/2/2015 10:31:49 AM

Plymouth, Mass.

Thanks for all the info Bubba. Some of us really do appreciate an experienced grower giving advice. I wish more would.

7/2/2015 12:20:10 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Wet for you BubZ, not wet for everyone.... I find that the vineZ push them selfZ up at the end of the year in our rock hard clay Colorado Soil...we are normally a dry tundra and itZ gone back to dry for us. Wind we have lotZ of.. One would have a very hard time here growing in your Michigan Hooper. 21% more UV. Again, every place is different, a grower needs to observe their surroundings and apply whatZ best for their area... What workZ for you BubZ IZnt a cure all for the world, no matter how smart you think you are.... Like Miyagi said in the context of Karate...: Someone alwayZ know more...

7/2/2015 12:41:23 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

One big wind gust and those wimping buried vines = broken rootZ..Nope I wont move..Too Beautiful of a state to leave.. so Ill deal with whatever I need to.....Duh

7/2/2015 12:45:13 PM

Central NY

I've got good drainage... I'm piling on the dirt...big roots

7/2/2015 1:28:05 PM

Lymington UK

This is a little horses for courses in my mind. Bubba is right and we have found the burying the vines can lead to problems esp later on in the year when the days get shorter. Longer damper nights even in a greenhouse ends up with disease. So if you factor in rain you are asking for trouble. Some of the top growers are covering them and then that gives them the chance to wash them off later.
To get the top roots to develop have a look at my diary and perhaps try a couple of vines. Whatever you do during this year try out a few different techniques and work out what is best for you in your conditions.

7/2/2015 2:53:47 PM

Colorado

I started with sand in my patch. Don't have vine rot issues cause we have low humidity the majority of the season. I pile the dirt on to weigh young vines down and get that top node to root successfully. The dirt does seem to wash off within a couple/3 weeks.

7/2/2015 3:06:07 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Yup, Bubba's only half right...lol You'd have to bury the pot with dirt ontop if you had Wind like we do growing outside....huh CoJoe...lol

7/2/2015 4:37:49 PM

Gays Mills, Wisconsin

Anything moist that minimizes/blocks sunlight will allow for the roots to form/grow. Dirt, sand, pearock, gravel, carpet, mulch, newspaper, carboard, plastic, sawdust, dark colored jello, etc... etc....
In a perfect world we can use our IMAGINATION and come up with something that can be mixed with water and overhead watered in that'll help in rooting, help in anchoring, help prevent disease issues and slowly release a custom tailored nutrient/insecticide/fungicide/herbicide that'll make growing giant pumpkins easy! Any newbee that could possibly create such a product please remember this oldbee :)

7/2/2015 5:42:35 PM

stoughton WI

i myself bury the whole vine, to prevent svb's and it seems to help the soil not wash off as fast. what I find, is that at least half the dirt has been wash off by late in the season, exposing the top half of the vine. also some people will uncover there vines approximately 12 days after covering. that is my understanding anyway. yes I do have some issues with rot in some vines but if you are keeping an eye on things. you should be able to catch it before it gets to far.so far I have had very good success. in the end its all in the growers own preference. good luck all

7/2/2015 5:56:04 PM

Muddy Waters

I don't understand the Svb thing .the subs here will lay there eggs on the stalks to

7/2/2015 6:32:55 PM

stoughton WI

from what I understand they will not go into vine if it is under the dirt

7/2/2015 10:04:33 PM

Zurich, Ontario Canada

I agree they will rot! But I wash dirt off again after threat of svb's is over. Good drainage is essential. (Raised beds or even drainage tiles) It is a toss up that requires differant management every year! Yes svb's will go in leaf stalks but at least you can get them befor they cause serious damage to vines. Just my opinion!!

7/2/2015 11:02:08 PM

Upa Creek, MO

We have bad SVB pressure (at least 2 cycles), and about 80% of the time they enter through the leaf stalk and make their way down to the vine. So I disagree with burying vines as an SVB deterrent. That's like trying to keep a coon out of the patch and putting up a fence on one side. Also, if you completely bury a vine here it will rot with the humidity and temps.

7/3/2015 7:28:30 AM

Central Illinois

luckily this year I only piled dirt on the nodes to help the top root to grow, the ground has been constantly wet.

Some people COVER the entire vine, some BURY the entire vine tenching it in several inches deep, if you cover it you can wash the soil off later in the year, Pap does that to his main

7/3/2015 7:47:03 AM

Muddy Waters

Just wanted to get a good explanation of how much to bury the vines for the newbies.It does vary some on where you live and your soil type.Bubbas goal has been accomplished.A Thank ya Thank YA Very MULCH!!!

7/3/2015 7:52:22 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

Colorado CoonZ know how to climb a fence...be it chainlink or 6 foot wooden...they also climb bricks pretty good too since they put a family inside the neighborZ fire place across the street...
Got 4 bookZ out there describing how to bury vineZ for success, so this isnt new rocket science discovered by the BubZ.... I think Id rather have hail then SVB's... Does an aggresive Insecticide program deter them? Systemic, Warrior, and Befithrin?

7/6/2015 10:55:42 AM

stoughton WI

how ever you bury make sure you are keeping an eye out for any rot. for example I bury the whole vine but on my squash plant, I did have a leaf rotting at the base, i cut off and scraped rot off the main, but it had already gotten into the main. im probably going to have to cut stump off up to it in order to save the plant. so either way you bury you still may have issues.

7/6/2015 7:58:28 PM

stoughton WI

as for svb i use a systemic, and other bug sprays. like most of you do, but why give them more area to enter plant, i would rather loose a leaf to svb than a vine. just my opinion. good luck everybody

7/6/2015 8:04:44 PM

Muddy Waters

Its nice to be the GUY everyone wants to tare down.It means I made it to the topSSZZ

7/6/2015 10:09:48 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Ah BubZ

tare
/te(ə)r/
noun
noun: tare; plural noun: tares
1. a vetch, especially the common vetch.
2. (in biblical use) an injurious weed resembling wheat when young (Matt. 13:24–30).

Not that you are an idiot.. but one doeZ wonder sometimes....well more than sometimeZ :)

7/7/2015 5:10:17 PM

Freedom Is Just Another Word For Noting Left To Lose

The one thing that I have learned over the years is, the people that know the most are the ones that offer the advice freely. On the other hand those that claim to know everything wouldn't share if they were paid.

7/7/2015 7:43:13 PM

aurora, IL

Thank you Mark for the great advice on this thread. This year I am only covering the leaf axils with dirt and organic fertilizers. I am growing the 1916 Barron and 1513 Sherwood, they both are strong plants and have a great root system.

7/7/2015 9:06:44 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Gary you are the only GPC officer that I know of who would post the kind of D-bag crap that you do. That, among other posts is the reason I don't tune in much anymore.

7/7/2015 9:25:23 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Just having some fun with Ole BuBZ... last time I looked, hiZ speal wasn't about FREE. And hey, If he can ping on me, I can PING back...what comeZ around Grow'Z around. I don't see him dancing with Iceman... only commentZ.. I think he even stole me Z... Bottom Line... Don't believe everything you read on the internet...if it workZ for you, DO IT.. if not keep researching and gathering INFORMATION...He who singZ the loudest, iZ not necessarily the BEST SINGER>..
I like hiZ energy....that one could sellZ.. Call it BubbaEnerJuiZe..... Bottom Line iZ... he growZ pumpkinZ...that part I like,...Hail I dont

DO or DO NOT, there iZ NO Try...

7/7/2015 9:42:54 PM

Freedom Is Just Another Word For Noting Left To Lose

Wiz, this thread stated out as Bubba offering advice from his own experience. Four posts later you jump in with WTF & GAFC. That in my opinion was an attack on Bubba's opinion because it differed from yours as your posts reflects. Then post five you keep your personal attack rolling. I'm more inclined to follow a multi state record holder, green jacket wearing champion then a common internet troll. Keep showing everyone your hand by (singing louder) and allow them to draw their own conclusion.

7/8/2015 4:54:14 AM

Upa Creek, MO

I agree Jimbo. It's embarrassing.

7/8/2015 8:31:03 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

Ill agree, when I bury me vineZ I think of thiZ post, often... Especially since itZ rained 2.5 inches in the last day.....Guess I took offense to being WiZZed on in a different thread...I wont if he dont..simple aZ that.

7/8/2015 10:28:34 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

Yeah..Jimbo.Guess itZ all about the GPC coat...and where one GrowZ...Hmmmm. Ill move on for now.

7/8/2015 12:00:49 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

For the sake of accuracy..if that still countZ.. but what my postZ are about....Scott Holub is the Green jacket Champ 1578 WR Squash not the BubZ..Multi State Champ?? BubZ grew in two states last year..Oh the factZ..BuBZ took Long Gourd..and a GPC jacket for the 5100 poundZ club....Glen and Margaret, or iZ it Margaret and Glenn...lol - Master Grower....Fair enough, letZ move on...I got more trolling to do...

7/8/2015 12:38:45 PM

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Wow, glad I missed all this crap....but to put this topic to sleep, I bury my vines for the extra rooting and to secure them from roll over in the wind. I have never had a single vine rot....as I have well draining soil.

7/12/2015 11:08:52 AM

nOVA sCOTIA

try to be nice Glenn...lol

7/12/2015 6:31:53 PM

Muddy Waters

Go ahead bury your vines Wizzzy.I think you should bury them up to the top of there stalks.This is a competition.lol

7/12/2015 10:25:35 PM

Muddy Waters

BTW I love all the publicity I get from you guys!Thank ya VERY MULCH!!

7/12/2015 10:26:48 PM

Muddy Waters

Good point Glenn well-drained soil is the key if you going to bury vines I see the people with heavy clay soil its a train wreck . I just wanted to help the new grower understand how this works and I see whizzy was he just wants to paint me up to be some kind of big boob that doesn't know what he's doing but my fruits my fruits will show my knowledge and skill as a grower .Wizzzz you can say what you wantz. I don't think Anybody listens they know who the real boobs are

7/13/2015 6:06:08 AM

Weatherman

If Bubbsie doesn't know it, it's not worth knowing.lol

7/13/2015 9:34:01 AM

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Will do Carl. You know I appreciate the info Mark and as you know as well, there are different strokes for different folks. But I'm nothing but open minded (my close friends and family laughing out loud) so next year in one of the patches I'll do more of a cover at the nodes and secure with bamboo trench, rather than my full-pull trench and bury that whole vine system. So thanks.

7/13/2015 1:44:48 PM

Muddy Waters

Nice Glen!lol

7/13/2015 7:34:05 PM

Muddy Waters

Wiz is do smart it's scary lol

7/13/2015 7:38:46 PM

Muddy Waters

Lol so smart ! Who gives a rats ass

7/13/2015 7:39:37 PM