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Little-TON - Colorado

Keep up the great Job wingman...Your plantZ are looking awesome...


Once the greenhouse growerZ dial in the program... Im thinking there will never be another world record grown outside.....

Question for the masses... and some thoughtZ to ponder.

> Should there be two categories for competition? GreenHouse/HoopHouse and the old fashion grow them naked outside?

> Do you think if it stayZ the same and every year a WR is grown in a green house, will this deter otherZ from growing and reduce fruit populations at weigh offs? (The Orange Belt States)...

Just wondering what otherZ think....

ThankZ for responding....

Do you think ana organized committee should

6/29/2015 4:34:49 PM

Cobleskill Ny

I don't really see any difference except the greenhouse growers have a bigger pocket. but my friend grew a 1969 last year with no greenhouse involved. I personally think its fine the way it is. just my opinion

6/29/2015 4:45:33 PM

Topsfield,ma.

Wiz, The GPC is major league!Not T-Ball! There are many other categories I can think of but won't open a bucket of worms.If your getting heat tell them to grow up. Woody

6/29/2015 6:55:15 PM

Kevinstinindians@yahoo.com

Gary,

I believe outdoor grown world records are on the endangered species list, maybe not extinct, but very close.

I don't believe people will stop growing outdoors and I don't believe the number of people growing will be affected by greenhouse grown WRs. I believe the number of GH growers will increase but the majority of growers will continue to grow outdoors. I believe local competition and friendships will keep the hobby alive and well, even when the likelihood of a locally grown WR will be non-existent for many.

I don't believe it will do any good to separate the two officially, but growers will know the difference between the indoor and outdoor records. Most will only care about whichever is bigger. Who finished second at the Daytona 500 last year? No one cares but the fans of whoever it was.

bigtim,

Karl's 1969 was an awesome pumpkin and an amazing accomplishment. Karl is a great grower, one of the best and overlooked in my opinion. Keeping that in mind, 1969 is 354 lbs behind the current WR, but only 89 lbs behind the outdoor record. I have a hard time imagining outdoor growers adding 354 lbs to the record in a short amount of time, of course, I've been wrong before. LOL

6/29/2015 6:58:51 PM

Wixom MI.

I think that would be a bad idea to seperate any method because its more sucsesful. Many growers have to adapt to their poor location and i dont think they need to be seperated for it. Dale m. In alaska probaby could not grow one in alaska without one. Not sure if dan macCoy could have grown his world record tomato without his greenhouse becauce of his cold location. Many people use trickle irrigation and over head misters on their pumpkins do they need a new catagory ? I cat afford to to all that !i think you need to keep it just the way it is. I think that the watermellon group is just hurting themselves with their two catagories.grafted and traditional. The grafted catagory is pentalized money wise because their numbers are far fewer.so why graft if the money payout is so low !!! I think it slows down progress.

6/29/2015 8:26:29 PM

Home of happy lil plants

I will never most likely NEVER be able to purchase and grow in a greenhouse although would love the idea....

Keep the handicaps in golf! Telling me there's a separate class for greenhouse grown mentally tells me there is zero chance of a wr being grown outdoors (may discourage from cost standpoint if newer in the hobby)

If you want to do anything offer an incentive to biggest grown outdoors below the artic circle? Dale M you are safe same difference on the Arctic up there!

6/29/2015 9:07:27 PM

Muddy Waters

You couldnt enforce it .There is no way to prove where they were grown? Just like there is no way to prove who really grew the pumpkin.If you cant run with the Big dawgs get back on the porch.

6/29/2015 10:43:43 PM

Knopp, Germany

I don't understand why anyone should care. Unless I missed something the last 14 years the whole idea is to have fun and grow the biggest you can using any method available.

6/30/2015 12:33:02 AM

San Diego

There is only one world record...

6/30/2015 1:35:24 AM

Australia

I agree with Owen it's all about having fun and trying to beat your pb. If you get a state record or WR that's even better. I wouldn't seperate the growers at all.
And if you did separate greenhouse growers and not, then what about people who start them in greenhouses then take them down after 2 months? What about hot areas / cold areas ? Never going to be an even playing field, but it's all about having fun, well that's my thoughts !

6/30/2015 2:28:05 AM

Netherlands

When it's 100F outside, you don't want a greenhouse.
The Paton's had a greenhouse last year, but still lost pretty much everything. I have a tunnel as well, but lose half the plants/pumpkins I grow. In my climate (average temperature in the summer is in the low 60s), you have no choice.

6/30/2015 2:52:16 AM

Rhode Island

there are plenty of challenges to growing inside as well as outside.
its not as simple as a covering over the plant.plenty of issues to overcome on either method.
under perfect conditions i believe a wr can be grown outside as well as inside.
pap

6/30/2015 3:56:08 AM

Muddy Waters

I agree Pap You may very well see a WR grown outside.Its all about the weather.So maybe we should have 2 categories Category 1 We had good weather. Category 2 our weather sucked.Then it woukd be fair for awl.

Brad you guys need a screen house.You can hang misters & fans & make a 100 degree day into a 90 degree day.Plastic & glass no good.You need the rain to get in.There is a lot of misconceptions on growing inside.Its not always good.I already have PM showed up.Sprayed Eagle 20 yesterday .Outside plants look clean.It has taken years to work the bugs out of growing inside.

6/30/2015 7:11:16 AM

Central Illinois

Maybe wait until WR have only came from greenhouses for 10 years straight, if it gets to the point where only someone like Bill Gates can afford it, the opinions may change.

6/30/2015 7:34:51 AM

New England

I have a lot more respect for one grown outdoors vs the one in a greenhouse sheltered from "real" growing conditions. Not meant to be a hurtful statement but there are a lot more factors to overcome and so forth in an outdoor setting

6/30/2015 8:29:06 AM

Eastern Pennsylvania

I will always grow outside because I enjoy being outside. Take that away and I would prefer to go back in my studio and play guitar all day. Like, in July, would you rather swim in an outdoor pool or an indoor pool? Unless you can't take the sun the choice should be obvious. Perhaps my input is less relevant because I don't care about a world record, just the biggest pumpkin at my weighoffs. And if those start coming from greenhouses, I will still grow outside.

6/30/2015 8:54:41 AM

Eastern Pennsylvania

How many growers overall have a personal best over 1500 lbs? And if you're one of the most growers who don't, ask yourself, do you really think you have a shot at the WR this year? Do you really think a greenhouse alone would change that?

6/30/2015 9:00:19 AM

Knopp, Germany

I see where this is heading, and it is pretty painful to see some of the replies.

It all comes down to a question I was asked once, "would I change anything about my life if all of a sudden I had a million dollars?"

If anyone wants to claim that they wouldn't change anything then I believe they are lying to themselves.

BTW, it is a good thing that I don't grow to earn respect from other people, and if you do your priorities are probably not put in the right place.

6/30/2015 9:02:27 AM

JACKSON, WISCONSIN. ; )

Real pumpkin growers grow outside.. Lol.. There is a learning curve with indoor gardening weather a screen house or a glass house. For every advantage there is probably just as many disadvantage's. Time will tell if this is a trend or just a fad.

6/30/2015 9:12:19 AM

nOVA sCOTIA

i think there should be a separate class for California growers,i think there should be a separate class for organic growers,i think there should be a separate class for greenhouse growers(only those at a cost of over $250,000 of course)lol.If 3 WR pumpkins were grown in the out doors last year this wouldn't even be a discussion.

6/30/2015 9:26:04 AM

nOVA sCOTIA

Look at last years ott?
2323-479"
2102-474"
2096-463"
2058 Hawkley-462"
2036 Glasier-468"
2008 Neptune-462"
and the 1928 Globus at 473" ott.Only talking a few inches out. Were they all grown in greenhouses??

6/30/2015 9:44:37 AM

Germany

DONKIN summarizes my opinions, couldn´t have said it any better. There was a similar discussion going on with the watermelon WR (grafted plants), a discussion which came up as soon as someone from overseas grew a WR on a grafted plant.

6/30/2015 9:51:59 AM

Bethlehem CT

At the end of the day I only care about which pumpkin is heaviest. I think it would ruin things to have two categories. This whole thing came up with watermelons and grafting. Growers were split in two on the subject like republicans and democrats. I didn't like that situation at all with the melons and I would not like it with pumpkins. Unfortunately it looks like we are already there with the pumpkins.

6/30/2015 10:57:10 AM

Muddy Waters

It doesnt take that much money to grow in a screen house.2 grand and your in one.It doesnt take Bill Gates to spend 2 grand.It does however take a higher level of dedication & commitment.Like Carl showed the outside & inside isnt that far apart.John Hawkley took the time to buy a misting system & install it.Is that a crime? I think most people will leave the hobby because they cant commit the time and effort,more so then the money.

6/30/2015 11:28:58 AM

Stanwood, Washington

So far we have had one person grow a world record in a greenhouse and he was doing a whole lot of other things that probably had a bigger effect on his weights than the greenhouse did. In my mind all the greenhouse does is level the playing field for those who live in cool climates. It really doesn't take that much money to build a tunnel over a plant and if your that tight up for money you probably not going to be afford all the other stuff it takes to grow a world record anyway.

6/30/2015 1:53:05 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Wiz started this thread because when I beat him he will use it as an excuse But Captain 97 you are absolutely correct with your post. Wiz with what you have invested in hail protection, you could have easily put up a cold frame (greenhouse) my 24' X 60' greenhouses are $3800.00 and that's all in with opening roofs etc. My 20 X 48's are less than half that.

6/30/2015 2:39:47 PM

Torrance, Ca.

Even cheaper then that Eddy for a decent greenhouse ;)


I have no idea what wiz is waiting on.......

6/30/2015 4:09:52 PM

Person Does rile people upally, I think this thread is called "pulling your strings" just to have a bit of fun. Wasn't this a discussion last year or the year before? Does stir things up!

6/30/2015 4:36:10 PM

What happened there? I had "personally I think" and that came up

6/30/2015 4:39:06 PM

Wixom MI.

I agree with iceman, wiz only started this post in case he looses to the iceman in their contest.

6/30/2015 5:48:06 PM

Muddy Waters

Eddy The Gates Deep pockets Zachosky.It aint fair you got more money then Bubba does, to throw at this sport! Somebody call me a Wha!! bulalnce!!!!LOL! Bring it on .This aint about money its about Whos the better grower & most dedicated.

6/30/2015 6:01:00 PM

NILES , CALIF

My 2 cents worth; I am 100% sure that the people who
come to see the giant pumpkin contest think there looking
at a pumpkin grown outside not in a greenhouse. Would
it matter,it might, the crowd may not return if they knew.

6/30/2015 6:25:28 PM

Home of happy lil plants

eddy has been posting more fish pictures that pumpkin pictures wiz you may be okay

6/30/2015 6:25:48 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

lol.... Actually Ice this has nothing to do with our contest... and waZ a questioned raised by CoJoe... looking forward.... towardZ the future...

I knew it this would get a lot of commentZ...and is the reason it was posted to start with... A feeler... all over the board.. Bottom line iZ we grow for the fun of it... test ourselves...beat ourselves, beat mother nature...experiment..get our handZ in the dirt and enjoy getting outside...
Everyone growZ for a different reason...Time will tell....But Im liking what I see growing in UK.. and also in WI... been a weird weather year... Mother Nature dictates what growZ where, and when she stops it...thatZ why I grow naked.....I love the challenge.. and so doeZ Iceman... Dont worry about WiZzy, I'll have me coat...

6/30/2015 6:26:02 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

Wizz can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Quit with the "I grow Naked" I'm starting to have night mares.

6/30/2015 6:36:17 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

And to be clear.. I am not speaking on the behalf of the GPC... Hasn't been talked about or emailed about...We have been too busy growing.. and getting the Weigh Off sites registered...If I had something to say GPC wiZe, it would come from our PreZ Andy, not me... and hopefully it would be on the GPC page.. not "General" .....

6/30/2015 7:49:07 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Just a ?...geeZ.. Fourth of July iZ round the corner..FireWorkZ anyone....lol

HereZ the factZ JACK...
>Wish I had land to build a green house.
>ItZ now or never.. only have 2 years to grow if that long
Who really knowZ what tomorrow bringZ...
and Im already a winner in the contest... :) Eddy called me! :)

6/30/2015 8:02:36 PM

valparaiso, in

Why do you only have maybe 2 years to grow?

6/30/2015 10:44:23 PM

Central Illinois

My comment about Bill Gates, I just thought at some time greenhouses may be filled with overhead lights ,co2 generators, air conditioning,humidifiers/ dehumidifiers a furnace, 24 hr computer controlled fertilization, who knows what else the future holds.

If WR all start to come from hydroponic plants there may be a debate whether that is fair. I cant get a 600 pounder so I have no concerns about this,just jumping in

7/1/2015 8:25:47 AM

Germany

Did you notice that...

...greenhouse growers did not ask for two categories at the time when the WR came from outdoor pumpkins (even though it would have been much better for them to have their own category, because their achievements under the difficult GH conditions would have been much more recognized...of course, GH growing must have been more difficult because the WR came from an outdoor patch, not from a GH).

...hydroponics AG growers did not ask for two categories (even though it would probably be much better for them to have their own category, because their achievements under the difficult hydroponics conditions would be much more recognized...of course, hydroponic AG growing must be more difficult because the WR hasn´t come from a hydroponically grown plant yet).

So what will happen as soon as a new WR comes from a hydroponically grown plant? Will those growers who haven´t even thought about granting them their own category suddenly scream for their own category must be established?

It should be fine to consider the splitting into different categories as soon as something new is coming up (because it is something new, because it could be different). It doesn´t appear to be as fine to scream for splitting into two categories as soon as the new thing (which isn´t new but has been accepted as an alternative for a while) suddenly turns out to be better.

Just imagine you buy fresh and tasty bread (for some good money) and your neighbor has made a deal with the bakery that he can buy the dry bread from the day before in the same bakery for less money...and everyone is fine with this regulation. Just imagine that suddenly health organizations would claim that aged bread would be more healthy, suddenly many more people would want to buy old bread. Suddenly some people wouldn´t want to pay more money for fresh bread while their neighbor (because of his deal with the bakery, his old-bread subscription) can still buy the old br

7/1/2015 9:10:26 AM

Germany

...old bread for cheap.

(No idea where this final piece got lost.)

7/1/2015 9:12:39 AM

Germany

Imagine there is a basketball team which consists of giants and a basketball team which consists of dwarfs...and the giants win, and win, and win...until suddenly the dwarfs improve their playing techniques and suddenly they are winning again and again because the same way of playing cannot as easily be adopted by the giants (their size seems to be a handycap suddenly)...I guess the guys who bought good money for players in their team of giants will suddenly scream for two categories (whereas the one-category situation had been fine as long as they had been the winners).

7/1/2015 9:18:19 AM

Germany

...the guys who paid good money...

7/1/2015 9:19:30 AM

Princeton Kentucky

baitman, your comments are just fine. I always know who I'm competeing against...ME,lol. We alone should be our biggest competitor and thats the way it is with me. I grow out of a screen house and in the open. If its not the hail, then its the high Humidity in the screen house to deal with. As a Misor Grower I know what your refering to and your suggesting, don't worry about what other growers have and you don't...its really not that important. I've never read or heard Ron Wallace or Pap cut down other growers intentionaly so do what I do and go off of advice from folks like that and Ignore all others. I'll too catch hell for posting this from them but oh well,lol. Growing is tough eneough so I leave out the Popularity Contests all together,lol. Also I this link may explain growing tactics you'll want to steer clear of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

7/1/2015 9:39:58 AM

Colorado

I agree that outdoor WR's will be a thing of the past. Would be tough to enforce. The competitive nature of the hobby will mean more indoor growing. I think the hobby will continue to grow. The fact that Ag's can grow to 2323.7 will keep people fascinated with the quest.

7/1/2015 2:04:16 PM

Central Minnesota

This year I am growing inside and out. I have a high tunnel, not really a greenhouse as I am able to open the sides 6 ft and the doors are 10 x 20 on each end. But growing in a greenhouse has its own set of challenges besides just the heat and the chance of cooking your plants. You really have to get your soil dialed in because there is very little leaching that goes on without overhead rain. I learned this the hard way and hopefully adjusted early enough. But, that is just the first of many mistakes I will make growing indoors. It is really nice having pretty leaves though when compared to my outdoor plants. It will take several years before I can really tell how much of an advantage there is growing indoors. It I take the next step and add heat to the tunnel, well then there would be a huge advantage where I grow and our short growing season.

7/1/2015 2:24:05 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

i have to disagree.I hate to sound negative but i think the amount of AG growers will decline. Think about the amount of physical labor, time and $$(seed,growing supplies) that we commit ourselves to each summer in order to compete? and for what? Little bragging rights if you get lucky? Way to many disappointments in this hobby for most . I started 8 AG plants this year and i am now down to just 1 after working my ass off all spring.If it blows i have nothing. If you think a greenhouse solves all problems you best sit down and do some serious thinking!!. As the WR continues to grow i think you will see more and more growers leaning towards fps,tomato's,and other giant veggies that records could quite possibly be obtainable.Come on people ...you can't get a teenager off the phone long enough to even start the dam lawnmower!!

7/1/2015 2:38:17 PM

Muddy Waters

That's hilarious OldRookie People don't care where there grown .They either love them or they don't. Kinda like fireworks once you been to one display you have seen it all. I haven't been to the fireworks in 10 years.boring.a lot of non growers feel the same way about our hobby.This hobby will end up eventually in the hydro phonics world . It will be very difficult to master and best 2323.in hydro the disease presure is 20 times greater.You will have to keep up with the times or just sit back and say "It s not fair" the guys who drove in the first NASCAR probably did the same thing

7/1/2015 2:45:01 PM

Muddy Waters

Plus growing s pumpkin takes skill. Kind of like packing a big one .it takes more then that .you have to know how to use it.lol to grow a big one. I could give most people all the bells and whistles to grow in a controlled environment .it would still take them several years to master growing Giants.just throwing money at it won't win it.Beni is a highly skilled grower

7/1/2015 2:50:47 PM

NILES , CALIF

Mr Bubba,your so crystal clear with your explanation
Growing pumpkins is like fireworks,and then you jump to
being in a nascar race and finally you end up packen a
big one?
You must of caught a fungus in your greenhouse

7/1/2015 4:46:29 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

are you going to take dat bubba...lol

7/1/2015 4:50:30 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

GiveZ meaning to the RMGVG Mantra... If your growing... Outside... you are growing Inside...:)
Green house in Colorado would have to be half green house, half screen house, with fanZ.. Dont have electricity either so hard to do...
2 yearZ left to grow.. for several reasonZ..... letZ just say, Health changeZ, Life changeZ, Job ChangeZ, ...Land ChangeZ....and $$$. Got lots a DR billZ.... so hard to see the forest because of the treeZ...but Ill keep looking.

7/1/2015 4:53:39 PM

Muddy Waters

There's a fungus among us lol

7/1/2015 7:06:29 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

I watched.. Ian and StU...TAKING NOTEz...they are serialouZ this year...stay on target WINGMAN!!.. Let the season Begin...Inside and Out>>^

7/2/2015 12:51:53 AM

Nottingham, UK

I think folk should just concentrate on what they do instead of keeping up with the Jones's and discussing what's fair and what's not.

My goals are to do better each year and I can do that green house or not. More categories sounds very childish

7/2/2015 7:36:44 AM

Wi

I believe the days of growing a world record outside are very limited. I may have grown one of the very last "low budget" world record pumpkins. That's really unfortunate for those with the skill to go big, but not the financial resources...or at least the willingness to spend those financial resources.

7/2/2015 9:05:19 AM

Muddy Waters

WHA WHA wha!!!

7/2/2015 9:50:32 AM

I grow for fun and pleasure first then for size. An 800 pound super orange will always attract more attention than a 1200 pound pale pumpkin.

7/2/2015 5:38:25 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

Look, all bias aside, people up north and a lot of people in Europe use greenhouses because they need them in order to have a successful season. If you are in an area that doesn't require a greenhouse, by using one you probably end up doing more work than you would need to without. We all do what we feel is needed to put us on the playing field. Whether you have to be at the top of the field or not dictates how far you take it.

Looking ahead, if at individual weighoffs sites some thpe of growing practice- be it greenhouse, hydro or other, becomes clearly advantageous, the issue should be dealt with on a site by site basis. Obviously all of the growers at the local weighoffs deal with the same conditions. The WR will always be the WR regardless of technique, as exemplified by the Guinness book ruling of Chris Kemp's WR grafted melon.

7/3/2015 12:08:05 AM