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England, essex

so tell me,
how does amelio plumplobster melopumpsky get a 1789 to cross into his banana's
when normal folk like me, only manage to get 2nd generation.
unless we sell the better of our 2 kidneys to get one at auction?
life sucks hey!

12/27/2013 4:36:29 PM

nOVA sCOTIA

lol! I would hope he will be putting his banana into the 1789:)but then again you never know.ahahaa

12/27/2013 4:52:48 PM

Santa Rosa, CA.

I think Pap gave it to him :)

12/27/2013 5:15:33 PM

Eurasia

Missed! Awesome wrong again!
I always told, that I will grow a selfed 1789 grown in Bristol 2012. To get proven genetics, I always trade selfed seed or 3rd generation stretto!
So what whine about life, Essexian?
By the way: how is weather in SO England now.
I heard about broken contact through flood and storms.

12/27/2013 5:34:51 PM

Upa Creek, MO

A Brit and German at it again... oh boy

12/27/2013 8:32:12 PM

Eurasia

Hey Smallmouth_Luke from Saint Louis, Missouri: do you love the Missouri botanical garden in your town?
If so, you might have heared the name of the Germans Seemann there, ´cause Dr. Emil Seemann had great influence in establishing this botanical garden when it was founded one and a half centuries ago...and his brother Berthold Carl Seemann was a most famous botanist at that time, who did three rescue wayfares to find the lost Franklin expedition in the Northwest Passage...and Wilhelm Seemann, who published the magazine Bonplandia with his brothers.
My son is named Bertold Carl and he loves full English breakfast.
Through his name he is a kindergarten naturalist and already has breeded many new pumpkin varieties as a nine years old boy.

12/28/2013 9:58:56 AM

Eurasia

We did an intergeneric cross with Cucumis melo as pollinator for Cucurbita maxima and got real seed progeny with solid genetics. Now we selected F2 fruits. We are so keen and British spleeny, that we do not accept the botanical nomenclature: we eke it and now establish the new term Cucurbita maximelo (with no botanist´s name written cursive but the word chimera) and want to grow it with descendants of Berthold Carl Seemann in Missouri.
I have studied agriculture and gardening in the 1980s, and I was very often in GB and Kew Gardens at that time. We also honeymooned in southern England and Kew two decades ago.
Berthold Carl Seemann studied as a PhD from Germany in London Kew and conquered the world for the British Empire!
If Germans obstruct our Bertold Carl´s scientifically thirst for education further on, he will follow the invitation to emigrate to Missouri.
Smallmouth_Luke, you´re welcome to grow our Cucurbita maximelo (chimera) `Basketball´ as the first and only grower worldwide. Basketball has a thin wall with a hard shell and melon-like seed.
Our aim is to crossbreed and blow it up with top of the world Wallace giants, but we do not like that sport with AGs so much. We would like to build boats for pumpkin regattas with not so much weight.

12/28/2013 10:00:59 AM

Eurasia

If you were motivated to enlarge the first C. maximelo `Basketball´ with an AG of your choice as pollinator, we would not grow it here in Europe and give no seed to any other grower in the world. The descentants of Berthold Carl Seemann also would not grow it in Missouri then, when you would do it in St. Louis.
You would be the only one with this crossbreeding and you would have to manage the further breeding and multiplying the seed in your own responsibility, as fas as you always meantion the name Bertold Carl Ammer as the founder of all C. maximelos. You can make a brand of your giant breeding but not for our intergeneric success.
You only have to send us a good dozen of every new breeding step´s seed for free. If you accept this, we will give you seed for free now.

12/28/2013 10:01:17 AM

Eurasia

Dear first of all Awesomes:
what kind of C. maximelo would you like to blow up with AGs there in Essex? You´re welcome to crossbreed with us.

12/28/2013 10:06:41 AM

Eurasia

@ awesome1
Do you also grow in a wintergarden / Florida room?
Or can you grow in a hot-house now?
I did some germination test with our new Cucurbita maximelo `Acorneti´ before sending the seed to our breeders in the USA and Canada.
Now I have ten nice plants in the 4th leaf stadium under the growing light, but I need that space for other tries and don´t want to trash this special seedlings.
I could send these ten Acornetis very quickly to you in a standard parcel.

12/28/2013 10:27:25 AM

England, essex

its ok, I have the uk border force tipped off now to keep you and your specimens out,,,
I also told them to make sure you get an internal examination if you ever pass through here ;)
I also have a friend on the west coast who will head you off If you try to send anything in from the west, ie Ireland and wales.

12/28/2013 11:19:41 AM

Eurasia

@ awesome1
You chanted my handles, and I gave you my name.
But what did you really want to say to tell us here with this thread?
Did you want me to watch your diary?
Yes, I´ve done so now.

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=211307

This might become one of my favourite pictures.
I don´t say it by reason of pampering your vanity...
I just would like to grow seed of this fruit after I have seen all the pictures in your diary:

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=211814

By the way: was it a selfed 673 Colbert 12 (1421.5 Stelts 09 x 1303 Sweet 09) or did you pollinate with a Tristar (triamble squash)? ...or did bumblebees the job of wild pollination? I would grow it, anyway...but did you resque seeds for me out of the rhino´s scat at the Colchester Zoo?

12/28/2013 11:56:23 AM

England, essex

I have already crossed it with the rhino,
just putting a little bit of LARGE into it for next season,
gotta be better than a banana or a triamble bumble squash.

so I will stick to what I can get for now, thanks for the offer though,

what I was getting at if you dint know? was how come you can get decent seeds and us (normal) people dont

12/28/2013 5:58:08 PM

Minnesota

Melo! So you crossed a AG with a triamble or buttercup? don't you have to keep cross pollinating it so it becomes stabilized??

12/28/2013 9:46:41 PM

Upa Creek, MO

Amelio, botanical garden is top notch here. Glad you boys came to an agreement or at least a truce.

The Luke

12/28/2013 10:24:24 PM

England, essex

A truce,,,,? never, lol

12/29/2013 5:31:11 AM

Eurasia

http://www.lastfm.de/music/Lisa+Lashes/+images/33722471

12/29/2013 6:23:05 AM

Eurasia

@ RichardB.
What objectives do we want to achieve with with crossbreeding? I don´t know all before.
We have crossed C. pepo Acorn `Table Gold´ x C. pepo Acorn `Fordhook´ and got our new variety C. pepo `Goldhook´ in only two years.
Our B52 (C. maxima AG x C. maxima turbaniformis `Buttercup´) was an American accidental product I found here at a grower´s diary. I picked it up in Seattle, Washington with a dumpling at the blossom end and lost that protuberance in F2. Not even a mirror or a little crown was left.
Next year I will pollinate a little Buttercup with the B52 and vice versa.
But I will do hybrid crossbreeding too with the B52 and F2 seed of our C. maxima `Sunburst mirror´ (C. maxima turbaniformis `Turks Turban´ x C. maxima AG 922 Mohr 11), also a giant hybrid.
Sunburst Mirror has a good cold resistance and does not suffer at frost point and down to 30°F in spring.
While AGs do not grow so much below 50°F, the turbaniformis hybrids gain growth from 45°F on without cover.
Now Sunburst Mirror (SbM) still is snail resistant through enough cucurbitacine, but I have to make it really edible and therefore to remove all poisonous substances.
Richard, if you would like to use this genetical base for more frost and snail resistance in AGs near Minnesota, you might want me to breed further on with a higher level of cucurbitacine.
I think that the intended hybrid for 2014 B52 x SbM is a great hope to breed some more resistances...but it will be edible first of all.
B52 is edible and really fine food also as crudité, ´cause Buttercup is a very well developed C. maxima turbaniformis.
I think, from 2015 on I will have to grow two lines: the poisonous one to bring many resistances into AGs, and the second one as really big fine food.
BYP Mr. awesome1 for using your thread.
Now you know that I never was privileged and never got seed from the pope pap nor a golden calf seed from Aaron.

12/29/2013 7:35:35 AM

England, essex

so I never got an answer after all that twaddle
(note to self,,,, don't ask)

12/29/2013 11:24:48 AM

North Smithfield, RI

Shhhhhh ! melon keep your secrets .

12/29/2013 2:35:22 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Gee now your bananapump Amelio....lol You are SchiZo huh....Feel free to answer in all your usernames.....

12/30/2013 5:06:55 PM

Eurasia

I´m no SkyWiZzo!
And I was forced to take new user-names.
But I think, Colorado growers would like to participate from the beginning, when we breed a little frost resitance into new giant pumpkin lines.
Giants will become elongated: you can´t stop this trend, you Schiwitzo von Kleintonien!
Dick Wallace grew the 850, Dave Stelts the 1140, Ron Rahe the 592 and so many more, and my little son began with long pumpkins on the base of 1385.5 Jutras genetix, which tends to long fruits. It´s only an short time abberation of the "Grow Zem Big"-Freaks around Garry Grande and Ron Wallace to grow broad flat tires instead of longer fruits.
We will do all kind of breedings to grow much longer, yes the babana group of C. maxima will be tried next season.
You must not participate, Mr. Grande.
bp is like a junkie store with all this 220.3 and 282 snowball hypes.

12/30/2013 8:00:50 PM

Belgium

can't you change the europe part in your name, makes me sick when I see that I live on same continent as you

12/31/2013 5:08:38 AM

England, essex

yes he spreads a great light on Europe, lmao!

you see he is trying to re-invent everything into (his way)

12/31/2013 6:22:49 AM