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Whitehall Montana

Wow folks,I have been doing a lot of watching,more then talking,about the 1725,the 2009,and the 220.These all have great genetics,but one would figure that they would produce more big pumpkins then they do.I see so many growers going after these seed and I feel disapointed to see them come in so light at seasons end.Sooo,I am asking,would it be better spending time,say even years,trying to develope kin from one of these seed,or chaseing down fresh genetics and trying to get that perfect cross,to get that next record.What are your thoughts on this?

12/24/2013 10:45:45 AM

Harrisville, Pa

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle. If your soil is not balanced, if you don't keep the weeds out, if you don't water it we'll, and if you don't have good weather. I bet I missed some ifs.

These are reason why most of those great seeds don't grow big ones.

12/24/2013 11:15:00 AM

Mnt.pleasant ,tennessee

So what was the 2009 made from?

12/24/2013 12:00:41 PM

Whitehall Montana

1725 Harp x 1409.5 Miller.I wonder if it would be easier to recreate the 2009 then to grow from the 2009 seed.I also wonder if growing in a controlled situation,like a greenhouse would be better.I also believe as far as the amount of small kin from these pumpkins,it has to be genetics,because there are far to many great growers out there that are responsible and love the sport,that would not waste a seed of such caliber by not having all their ducks in a row.

12/24/2013 12:21:44 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

It has been done...several times..

12/24/2013 1:05:40 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

735 Lloyd,723 & 845 Bobier, 846 Calai, 801.5 Stelts those were the seeds when I started growing...It is not so much about having the right genetics, as it is about believing and selling your seed to others to plant. That is the hard part...I can bet my retirement that a world record seed ended up in a compost pile or sat in someones collection that would have changed everything but never got planted...or did it?

12/24/2013 1:15:21 PM

Whitehall Montana

Last year I learned a lot about trimming vines by my own mistakes.I had a small class of students from the school coming,and over trimmed the vines for standing room.I dropped from 18lbs per to 5 lbs every other day,talk about stupid.That pumpkin still went est.415lbs in 7.9 ph soil.Seems to be a lot of wiggle room in everything I have read in the past 2 years,so I think its by guess and by golly.

12/24/2013 1:23:24 PM

Whitehall Montana

Mr Van Pelt I can believe your right about what can happen to seed,and where it can end up.For me this is just a hobby,but only because my wife was polite about telling me to do something that was not in her space.I love doing this,and the local folks pretty much demand that I grow every year now.Sooo here I am,and have spent much more time and money on soil and better seed for next year.Was just throwing out some thoughts on this matter.I have enjoyed your feedback

12/24/2013 2:04:57 PM

Piqua, Ohio

Slim, spend your money building your soil and buying growing supplies. There are plenty of growers with free seeds, they may not be the hot ones, but the gene pool we're working with is pretty tight and most pumpkins are related. Finding fresh genetics is almost impossible.

12/24/2013 2:15:27 PM

Whitehall Montana

Thanks Josh even the seed I have been growing for 2 years has a little 1725 Harp in them,but a high probability of Dill ring,as I saw in one last year.Next year I have different seed to work with,and already have some soil work done until spring,will finish up then.By the way I come from Lima out your way.

12/24/2013 2:28:09 PM

Mnt.pleasant ,tennessee

So every seed in same kin want be same strength.it comes down to piking right 2 seeds.
So pretty much have to start all your seeds& picking the most aggresive if you really wana find the best seeds out of your kin

12/24/2013 2:30:47 PM

Going Green

In 2009 a lady from Kansas City was given a single seed from her son who lived in Chicago. The seed was given for her birthday. She grew the seed in a river bottom and with some techniques her son had shared with her she grew a New State Record for Missouri which still stands today. Her first year ever growing a Giant Pumpkin seed with not a lot of understanding she grew a 1244 pound pumpkin.

12/24/2013 2:38:08 PM

Going Green

Who was this wonderful lady...It was Nancy Burgess who grew a 1244 Burgess and dash my hopes for setting a new Missouri State record by a newbie. Nancy and her son are still growing today and I hope they will continue to do well.

12/24/2013 2:47:25 PM

Going Green

1244 Burgess- 1446 Werner X Same, Missouri State record

12/24/2013 2:50:11 PM

Whitehall Montana

How cool is that,im going for the nearest river bottom

12/24/2013 3:09:09 PM

Colorado

Much easier to grow from the 2009 than to create a equal seed. Lots of variables and bumps in the road when trying to make the next great seed.

12/26/2013 12:44:30 AM

Whitehall Montana

Nothing is certain ,but a lot of fun watching these monsters grow.Amazing what 1 little seed can accomplish to bring so many people together.

12/26/2013 10:29:30 AM

pumpkinfarm ( phil wellington)


http://www.bigpumpkins.com/DisplayPhoto.asp?pid=6171

im no expert at river bottoms but i dont see what you see

12/26/2013 10:53:07 AM